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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=709405020-25042008>It's just splitting hairs (or mobiles) for that
matter. MARAC only allows it for mobiles on a 2 county line.
Ask MARAC what it counts for if you are 600' away from a 4 county corner or
60' from the road center that constitutes the county line. It is my
opinion (which counts for less with each passing day) that the entire station:
operator, power source, rig, and antenna should reside in the QTH of
interest. Since a line has zero width mathematically it would be
impossible to split these items into two counties equally.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=709405020-25042008>I want to see as much activity as everyone else and I
would love the chance to clean sweep all the counties but I found the ILQP
county definition a bit too liberal. Almost as silly as playing 7 card
stud with 2s,3s,9s, one eyed jacks, and kings with the axe wild.
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class=709405020-25042008>N8SS</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Chasey, David A
[mailto:wn9nbt@purdue.edu] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25, 2008 4:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B> miqp-mail@miqp.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Morse, Earl
(E.A.)<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [MiQP-Mail] Rover category<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Earl,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> In last
year’s INQP, I set up on the St Joe County and <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Elkhart</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> line and operated from a van in a
church parking lot. The attached picture (which may not go through
to the list) was taken on a recon trip, not the actual day of the contest, but
it illustrates where I was parked during the contest. The road
in front of the van is the county line road which by GPS and sight went through
the middle of the van. The county line road dead ended
in a T intersection where the church was located. I put
up a dipole antenna with one end tied to a tree in St Joe County, the other end
tied to a tree in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Elkhart</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and it was pretty well centered on
the line.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If I can’t be in two
counties at one time, which county would I have been
in?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also, your comment
“</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It isn't allowed by any awards
programs i.e. DXCC, WAS and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Hunters</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>” <FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy">is inaccurate. We are only talking about county lines
here. County lines are meaningless for DXCC and WAS. The
MARAC county hunters award does in fact specifically allow 2 county
contacts. See <A
href="http://www.marac.org/Awards.pdf">http://www.marac.org/Awards.pdf</A> where
the following is written on page 7 &
8....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on"><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=red size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">County</SPAN></FONT></B></st1:PlaceType><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=red size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
<st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Line</st1:PlaceName></SPAN></FONT></B></st1:place><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=red size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
Contacts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=TimesNewRoman color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman">A stationary
mobile may operate on a </SPAN></FONT><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on"><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">County</SPAN></FONT></B></st1:PlaceType><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
<st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Line</st1:PlaceName></SPAN></FONT></B></st1:place><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman">and contacts with the mobile
can be used as credit for both counties. Some part of the vehicle used for the
mobile contact must be located in each county on the </SPAN></FONT><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on"><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold
color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">County</SPAN></FONT></B></st1:PlaceType><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Line</st1:PlaceName></SPAN></FONT></B></st1:place><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman">.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=TimesNewRoman color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman">Only one
</SPAN></FONT><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on"><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">County</SPAN></FONT></B></st1:PlaceType><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
<st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Line</st1:PlaceName></SPAN></FONT></B></st1:place><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman">at a time can be run for MARAC
Awards. If the mobile is operating from the intersection of three or more
</SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold">USA
Counties</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman">, only two counties at a time
may be counted for the same contact.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I personally find it
fun to track down unique operating locations such as county lines and operate
from them where allowed. I’m far from a great operator, but
I’m there to have fun and perhaps my operating skills and dealing with pileups
will improve over time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All of that said, I
really enjoy the MiQP, as well as the INQP, ILQP, and OQP that I operate “in
state” from. I appreciate all of the hard work that all of the
committees do, and am not criticizing them in any
way.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">...Dave –
N9FN<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
miqp-mail-bounces@miqp.org [mailto:miqp-mail-bounces@miqp.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Morse, Earl (E.A.)<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, April 25, 2008 3:18
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
MiQP-Mail@miqp.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[MiQP-Mail] Rover category</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hank, </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Definitely talking two issues here.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rover category and how close
to the county line do you have to be to be in the county.</SPAN></FONT>
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
Rover category may be a viable category especially if you could show that it
would increase activity. I know I worked N9NE in almost every county he
parked in last weekend. Partly because he was in the UP where we had good
propagation and partly because he spent more than 30 minutes in each
county. If you could show a half dozen rover operations that would be good
for a couple hundred or so QSOs from each of 4 counties then it would make
a good case for the category. Basically, activity begets more activity but
adding categories just waters down the activity you already have. I would
look at the EOC category. Almost every county has a Red Cross station or
EOC station or both, however I don't think that the EOC category generated as
much activity amongst the non-contest community as we were hoping. Maybe
the logs submitted will prove me wrong.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
have a problem with multiple counties though. You can't operate from two
places simultaneously. It isn't allowed by any awards programs i.e. DXCC,
WAS and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Hunters</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>. Close only
counts in horsehoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons but not in ham radio QTH
entities. I have worked the Illinois QSO party and found it silly to work
one QSO for 4 multipliers. At least that’s what they were implying.
I would reply with QSL, YOU ARE 59 MI 59 MI 59 MI 59 MI and log the 4
QSOs. Their game, their rules. Basically, it seemed that these
stations just wanted to be a little more special than your run of the mill IL
stations in hopes it would generate the pileups they needed to stroke their
egos. From what I heard from some of those stations, they needed a lot
more practice on those pile ups too. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, it’s the Michigan QSO party
and you just can't be any more special than being in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Michigan</st1:place></st1:State>, whichever
county/counties you are in. Pick a category and make your plans to operate
it as best you can.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">N8SS</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>I won't push for the
rover category, because the circular reasoning that </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>we don't have many of
these may be a result of the fact that we don't </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>have the category.
But, we'll never know until we'd allow the category </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>and push it. I
have no idea of whether this would turn out to be </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>popular or not.
I've scouted the four county corner point of Clare, </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>Isabella, Mecosta, and
Isabella, which is a very isolated area, and </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>would be amenable to a
fixed operation within 600' of that corner. </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>Similarly,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Kent</st1:country-region>, Montcalm, and Newago,
and <st1:place w:st="on">Ionia</st1:place> are three county areas
</SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>with
possibilities.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">></SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>Maybe we need a portable
category? The Illinois QSO party had over 20 </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>portable stations in
2007 in single, two, three and four county </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>operation. Some 16
operators were cited as coming from out of state to </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>operate either as
mobiles or portables. Their portable category allows
</SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>a station to set up in a
single county, or at a 2, 3 or four county </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>intersection.
The number of individual counties activated by these </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>portable stations was 39
in 2007. Most of these stations operated for </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>the full 8 hours of
their contest. Many of the counties covered would </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>not otherwise be covered
by fixed stations.</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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